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Nedeľa, 31. Augusta 2008, 12:28

leon24 napísal:
To este neviem mechanik sa mi nato pozre az na buduci tyzden ale kolega my spominal ze staci dotiahnut nejake tiahla a ze to je vsetko co vy nato :?:


vidis na tom obrazku v ETK nieco co sa dotahuje ? ja nie :wink:

leon24 napísal:
Takze podla teba by bolo najlepsie kupit vsetko nakopmlet a bol by pokoj?
a co robota dufam ze ma nevyjde viac ako tie suciastky :smile:


ale coby.. vyhodene peniaze.. sak to je zelezo a hlinik, tomu sa nic nestane..
vymen tie silentbloky za 450 a ulozenie za 250.. robota na necelu hodinu na stlpovom zdvihaku..
same shit, different day..
There's no replacement for displacement..
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Nedeľa, 31. Augusta 2008, 12:40

killian napísal:
ked je plantava radicka, tak to pomoze. Ked sa nevracia, toto nepomoze - vlastna skusenost.


A co pomoze?
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Nedeľa, 31. Augusta 2008, 12:58

leon24 napísal:
A co pomoze?

ja som menil tieto silentbloky nedavno, ked je auto zohriate sa radi uplne skvele a presne. Ked je studene, tak je to otras. Ked tam idem dat prvy krat patku, musim prekonat dost silny odpor a ked ju vyradim tak je paka uplne volna v neutrali. Podla toho, co som sa docital, je to zalezitost pruzin, capov a guliciek v prevodovke, ktore vracaju paku spat. Ak by som sa k tomu dostal bez spustenia prevodovky, vymenim to a dam vediet
 
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Nedeľa, 31. Augusta 2008, 12:59

BlackMW napísal:
ale coby.. vyhodene peniaze.. sak to je zelezo a hlinik, tomu sa nic nestane..
vymen tie silentbloky za 450 a ulozenie za 250.. robota na necelu hodinu na stlpovom zdvihaku..


Takze silenbloky + ulozenie a vsetko by malo byt v pohode. Dufam ze hovoris z vlastnej skusenosti. A dik za rady potesil si ma :wink:
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Nedeľa, 31. Augusta 2008, 16:07

riesenie:
there is a fifth gear pin which is supposed to move freely (back-n-forth) inside a bushing located in the transmission. This pin is spring-loaded, which returns your shift lever to center. What happens (and usually when the tranny is cold) is when the shift lever is moved to the right of the gate, the pin goes into the bushing and becomes lodged, making the shift lever stay right instead of returning center. BMW released a bushing repair-kit (#23-11-7-542-726) intending to fix this issue. FYI, members from the thread on Bimmerforums have had success with the repair-kit, resolving this "5th-gear-sticky" issue. BTW, when the shift lever finally returns center, that "click" sound you hear is the pin finally dislodging itself in the bushing (returning into its original position).

The catch for R&R of the bushing repair-kit: You are required to drop the transmission. The bushing/pin location is on the side of the tranny and you'll need all the room possible to remove the old bushing from (which is usually seized inside) the tranny.


An old thread discussing this, but it's a lot of reading...
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...=Shifter+rests

What you really want to know:

Basically, there is a spring in your transmission that pushes on a pin that pushes on your shifter to make it return to the center from 5th gear. This pin sits in a bushing that has some sort of (teflon?) coating on it. The original coating was defective, and would absorb oil and expand slightly over very long periods of time, causing the pin to get stuck in the bushing. To fix it, you have to remove the old bushing and replace it with a new one with a different coating on it. Unfortunately, this requires removing the transmission. Even if you don't happen to want to do that just to fix this problem, you may want to order the parts anyway, so you have them the next time you do have to pull the transmission for some reason (perhaps to replace the clutch or something).

BMW offers a repair kit for this ... Part Number 23117542726
This kit includes a new bushing, a cover lid (available separately as 23311224825), and a lock ring (available separately as 23317531374).

Most people complain about problems with 5th gear, but technically, reverse is also affected, so as long as you're going through all the trouble, you should probably order two of the kits, and replace the bushings for both 5th and reverse.

You may also want to order replacements for the pins and springs that sit within the bushings (your original ones are probably fine, but the parts aren't that expensive, so why not replace them while you're going through all this trouble):
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...3&fg=15&hl=186
23311224817 - Top Spring (reverse)
23311224849 - Top Pin (reverse)
23311224935 - Bottom Spring (5th)
23317502165 - Bottom Pin (5th)
 
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Nedeľa, 31. Augusta 2008, 16:29

killian napísal:
riesenie:
there is a fifth gear pin which is supposed to move freely (back-n-forth) inside a bushing located in the transmission. This pin is spring-loaded, which returns your shift lever to center. What happens (and usually when the tranny is cold) is when the shift lever is moved to the right of the gate, the pin goes into the bushing and becomes lodged, making the shift lever stay right instead of returning center. BMW released a bushing repair-kit (#23-11-7-542-726) intending to fix this issue. FYI, members from the thread on Bimmerforums have had success with the repair-kit, resolving this "5th-gear-sticky" issue. BTW, when the shift lever finally returns center, that "click" sound you hear is the pin finally dislodging itself in the bushing (returning into its original position).

The catch for R&R of the bushing repair-kit: You are required to drop the transmission. The bushing/pin location is on the side of the tranny and you'll need all the room possible to remove the old bushing from (which is usually seized inside) the tranny.


An old thread discussing this, but it's a lot of reading...
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...=Shifter+rests

What you really want to know:

Basically, there is a spring in your transmission that pushes on a pin that pushes on your shifter to make it return to the center from 5th gear. This pin sits in a bushing that has some sort of (teflon?) coating on it. The original coating was defective, and would absorb oil and expand slightly over very long periods of time, causing the pin to get stuck in the bushing. To fix it, you have to remove the old bushing and replace it with a new one with a different coating on it. Unfortunately, this requires removing the transmission. Even if you don't happen to want to do that just to fix this problem, you may want to order the parts anyway, so you have them the next time you do have to pull the transmission for some reason (perhaps to replace the clutch or something).

BMW offers a repair kit for this ... Part Number 23117542726
This kit includes a new bushing, a cover lid (available separately as 23311224825), and a lock ring (available separately as 23317531374).

Most people complain about problems with 5th gear, but technically, reverse is also affected, so as long as you're going through all the trouble, you should probably order two of the kits, and replace the bushings for both 5th and reverse.

You may also want to order replacements for the pins and springs that sit within the bushings (your original ones are probably fine, but the parts aren't that expensive, so why not replace them while you're going through all this trouble):
http://www.realoem.com/bmw/showparts...3&fg=15&hl=186
23311224817 - Top Spring (reverse)
23311224849 - Top Pin (reverse)
23311224935 - Bottom Spring (5th)
23317502165 - Bottom Pin (5th)


No sorry ale po anglicky neviem :roll:
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Nedeľa, 31. Augusta 2008, 16:47

jednou vetou: treba dat dole prevodovku a vymenit v nej par drobnosti, ktore sa zasekavaju pri zaradeni 5ky na studenej prevodovke. Predava BMW pod cislom #23-11-7-542-726 (etk mi to ale nedokaze najst). Diely lacne, ale roboty vela
 
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Pondelok, 1. Septembra 2008, 09:12

Dufam ze mne bude stacit vymenit len to co pisal Blackmw :roll:
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Pondelok, 1. Septembra 2008, 10:47

leon24 napísal:
Dufam ze mne bude stacit vymenit len to co pisal Blackmw :roll:


vzhladom na to co pisal killian, sa obavam ze v tvojom pripade to nepomoze, lebo si pisal ze mas radicku tuhu.
(pisal som ze ak to nepomoze bude to v prevodovke)
tak by som rovno riesil tu opravnu sadu na prevodovku..

tie silace a ulozenie pomozu alfi666-mu..
same shit, different day..
There's no replacement for displacement..
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Pondelok, 1. Septembra 2008, 10:50

BlackMW napísal:
vzhladom na to co pisal killian, sa obavam ze v tvojom pripade to nepomoze, lebo si pisal ze mas radicku tuhu.
(pisal som ze ak to nepomoze bude to v prevodovke)
tak by som rovno riesil tu opravnu sadu na prevodovku..

tie silace a ulozenie pomozu alfi666-mu..


Tuhu to je myslene ako lebo ja ju mam normalnu len mi paka nedryi v strede ale je pod 5 a zo vsetkych rychlosti sa mi paka vracia sama naspet do neutralu iba z 5 ju musim dat naspet sam ale inac ide vsetko tak ako ma. Tak teda urcite mi nepomoze vymenit to co si mi pisal?
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Pondelok, 1. Septembra 2008, 10:56

BlackMW napísal:
vzhladom na to co pisal killian, sa obavam ze v tvojom pripade to nepomoze, lebo si pisal ze mas radicku tuhu.
(pisal som ze ak to nepomoze bude to v prevodovke)
tak by som rovno riesil tu opravnu sadu na prevodovku..

tie silace a ulozenie pomozu alfi666-mu..


Takze mam teda vymenit nieco z tohoto ? http://bmwfans.info/original/E46/Lim/32 ... l-23_0229/
Teraz: BMW e91 325 xi 218 PS
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Pondelok, 1. Septembra 2008, 12:12

BlackMW napísal:
vzhladom na to co pisal killian, sa obavam ze v tvojom pripade to nepomoze, lebo si pisal ze mas radicku tuhu.
(pisal som ze ak to nepomoze bude to v prevodovke)
tak by som rovno riesil tu opravnu sadu na prevodovku..

tie silace a ulozenie pomozu alfi666-mu..


ja si skor myslim, ze umna bude treba menit tie silentbloky a aj ten cudlik v prevodovke :D... holt, ja som to vyhral ;)
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Pondelok, 1. Septembra 2008, 13:17

leon24 napísal:
Tuhu to je myslene ako lebo ja ju mam normalnu len mi paka nedryi v strede ale je pod 5 a zo vsetkych rychlosti sa mi paka vracia sama naspet do neutralu iba z 5 ju musim dat naspet sam ale inac ide vsetko tak ako ma. Tak teda urcite mi nepomoze vymenit to co si mi pisal?

toto je ten symptom co mam aj ja. Pri vyradeni 5 za studena sa paka nevrati naspat. Zachvilu ako sa prevodovka ohreje sa paka vrati pomaly naspat a pocujem take puknutie v prevodovke. Ked je uz olej v prevadzkovej teplote tak je to uplne normalne. Keby si pozrel BMW fora tak by si zistil, ze niektorym to robi uz pri najazdenych 50 tis km a je to pomerne bezny problem - je to bug na prevodovkach a BMW si to aj uznalo, ked vydalo ten repair kit
 
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Pondelok, 1. Septembra 2008, 14:31

killian napísal:
toto je ten symptom co mam aj ja. Pri vyradeni 5 za studena sa paka nevrati naspat. Zachvilu ako sa prevodovka ohreje sa paka vrati pomaly naspat a pocujem take puknutie v prevodovke. Ked je uz olej v prevadzkovej teplote tak je to uplne normalne. Keby si pozrel BMW fora tak by si zistil, ze niektorym to robi uz pri najazdenych 50 tis km a je to pomerne bezny problem - je to bug na prevodovkach a BMW si to aj uznalo, ked vydalo ten repair kit


Aha ale mne sa nevrati z 5 ani za studena a ani za tepla iba vtedy ked cez noc necham zaradenu spiatocku vtedy vyradim a paka skonci pekne v strede ale akonahle zas dam 5 tak sa to vrati naspet :(
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Pondelok, 1. Septembra 2008, 16:12

killian napísal:
toto je ten symptom co mam aj ja. Pri vyradeni 5 za studena sa paka nevrati naspat. Zachvilu ako sa prevodovka ohreje sa paka vrati pomaly naspat a pocujem take puknutie v prevodovke. Ked je uz olej v prevadzkovej teplote tak je to uplne normalne. Keby si pozrel BMW fora tak by si zistil, ze niektorym to robi uz pri najazdenych 50 tis km a je to pomerne bezny problem - je to bug na prevodovkach a BMW si to aj uznalo, ked vydalo ten repair kit


Takze bol som sa trochu previest a zistil som ze po castom radeni sa paka umudrila a bola pekne v strede hmm ale 5 som radsej nehadzal cital som este niekde ze niekomu pomohlo vymenit len olej v prevodovke co je natom pravdy?
Teraz: BMW e91 325 xi 218 PS
Potom: BMW e46 328i, 142 kW 193 PS
Najskôr: BMW e46 318i, 87 KW 118 PS.
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